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	<title>What is Man? &#187; Science</title>
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	<description>What is man, that thou art mindful of him? And the son of man, that thou visitest him?  Psalms 8:4</description>
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		<title>Creationist Logic</title>
		<link>http://blog.whatisman.com/2010/04/14/creationist-logic-eveolutionary-logic/</link>
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		<pubDate>Wed, 14 Apr 2010 20:36:46 +0000</pubDate>
		<dc:creator>Thomas</dc:creator>
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		<description><![CDATA[History, archeology, a consistent message, personal testimony, etc. all testify to the accuracy of a book authored by an infallible source.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Got an interesting email today:</p>
<p><img style="border-right-width: 0px; display: block; float: none; border-top-width: 0px; border-bottom-width: 0px; margin-left: auto; border-left-width: 0px; margin-right: auto" title="image" border="0" alt="image" src="http://blog.whatisman.com/wp-content/uploads/2010/04/image_thumb.png" width="573" height="487" /> </p>
<p>I asked this friend, “Did you write the above message? Your name is on it, so it&#8217;s a reasonable inference that you wrote it. How can you prove to me you wrote it, though? You can compile external evidence: Where you were 48 minutes ago, examples of your writing style, external witnesses, etc. While we make the reasonable inference that Bible was ultimately authored by God, because He claims responsibility for it, we also have external evidence. History, archeology, a consistent message, personal testimony, etc. all testify to the accuracy of a book authored by an infallible source. </p>
<p>Anyway, here’s my response in kind: </p>
<p><a href="http://blog.whatisman.com/wp-content/uploads/2010/04/evolutionistcircularlogicnaturalism.jpg" rel="shadowbox"><img style="border-bottom: 0px; border-left: 0px; display: block; float: none; margin-left: auto; border-top: 0px; margin-right: auto; border-right: 0px" title="evolutionist circular logic naturalism" border="0" alt="evolutionist circular logic naturalism" src="http://blog.whatisman.com/wp-content/uploads/2010/04/evolutionistcircularlogicnaturalism_thumb.jpg" width="648" height="519" /></a> </p>
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<p>EDIT: I updated this diagram the day after it was posted in response to Boz’s critique. </p>
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		<title>Can Science Tell Truth?</title>
		<link>http://blog.whatisman.com/2010/02/20/can-science-tell-truth/</link>
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		<pubDate>Sat, 20 Feb 2010 06:07:00 +0000</pubDate>
		<dc:creator>Thomas</dc:creator>
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		<description><![CDATA[...get our head out of the sand and realize that science isn't about truth...]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I read an interesting quote by Adam Savage, of <a href="http://dsc.discovery.com/videos/mythbusters/">Mythbuster’s</a> fame. He said the following in a Popular Mechanics <a href="http://www.popularmechanics.com/science/research/4280765.html">podcast</a>: </p>
<blockquote><p>Like I said, the newspapers talking about evolution versus creationism is very much an attack on science as a type of religion—believing that the scientific method is some type of religious belief. And it&#8217;s not! That kind of attack absolutely is damaging science exploration across the whole country. I do think that&#8217;s a significant problem. And until we can get our head out of the sand and realize that science isn&#8217;t about truth—…</p>
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<p>While Adam is a proponent of molecules-to-man evolution, he makes a couple of good points in this quote. He says that the scientific method isn’t “some type of religious belief.” He’s right, too. The scientific method (which is limited to operational science and cannot operate experientially in the area of origins) is a tool. Even so, religious belief does factor into the scientific method.&#160; Religious belief is the bias that inherently determines how one interprets the results of the scientific method. These results can provide evidence for vastly different presumptions, whether they be of supernatural creation or or evolutionary naturalism. The problem is that evolutionary naturalism is a religion, a dogma as faith based as any religion. Consider this statement that the famous evolutionist Theodosius Dobzhansky quoted in <em>The American Biology Teacher</em> journal: “Evolution is a light which illuminates all facts, a trajectory which all lines of thought must follow.” Or <a href="http://ncse.com/news/2003/02/dini-case-00447">Michael Dini</a> of Texas Tech University, who refused to give letters of recommendation to students who would not verbally proclaim factuality of evolution. Which brings one to the second part of Adam’s quote.</p>
<p>The second part of the quote, “science isn’t about truth,” is likewise correct. This doesn’t make science useless; far from it!The results of scientific endeavors have greatly benefited the quality of our lives. The point of facts is that scientists don’t know everything, and therefore science deals in theories, both weak and strong, but never in facts, and no matter how strong a theory is, it is <strong>always</strong> subject to change. Consider the following exchange:</p>
<p><strong>Naturalist</strong>: Creation is not science because a creationist’s views were set by the Bible and, therefore, are not subject to change. </p>
<p><strong>Creationist</strong>: The reason scientific theories change is because we don’t know everything, isn’t it? We don’t have all the evidence. </p>
<p><strong>Naturalist</strong>: Yes, that’s right. </p>
<p><strong>Creationist</strong>:But, we will never know everything. </p>
<p><strong>Naturalist</strong>: That’s true. </p>
<p><strong>Creationist</strong>: We will always continue to find new evidence. </p>
<p><strong>Naturalist</strong>: Quite correct. </p>
<p><strong>Creationist</strong>: That means we can’t be sure about anything. </p>
<p><strong>Naturalist</strong>: Right. </p>
<p><strong>Creationist</strong>: That means we can’t be sure about evolution. </p>
<p><strong>Naturalist</strong>: Oh, no! Evolution is a fact!</p>
<p>The fact is that science and the scientific method cannot <strong>confirm</strong> our origins for either creationist or evolutionary naturalist. All it can do <strong>affirm</strong> what we already believe. For the Christian, that belief is based on the authority of the scriptures and the eye witness account of creation contained therein. For an evolutionary naturalist, there is only the belief that no supernatural force exists… for science does not tell truth. </p>
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		<title>Evolving Controversy</title>
		<link>http://blog.whatisman.com/2009/06/12/evidence-against-bird-to-dinosaur-evolution/</link>
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		<pubDate>Fri, 12 Jun 2009 18:49:02 +0000</pubDate>
		<dc:creator>Thomas</dc:creator>
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		<description><![CDATA[Frankly, there's a lot of museum politics involved in this, a lot of careers committed to a particular point of view even if new scientific evidence raises questions.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><img style="display: none" src="/wp-content/uploads/icon.jpg" />On Wednesday Wired magazine published an <a href="http://www.wired.com/wiredscience/2009/06/alda-and-greene/">article</a> about the <a href="http://www.worldsciencefestival.com/">World Science Festival</a>. The article highlighted an appearance by string theory expert Brian Greene and entertainer Alan Alda. In the interview, Alda said the following:</p>
<blockquote><p>One of the things I like with science is that it’s based on uncertainty, on never quite knowing, and gaining a little glimmer of understanding every time.</p>
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<p>I liked this quote, though I suspect the meaning I see in it might not reflect what the speaker intended. </p>
<p>The reason that I mention this quote is an <a href="http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2009/06/090609092055.htm">article</a> on the Science Discovery website that details a paper published this week in the Journal of Morphology.<font size="1">&#160;</font></p>
<p>From the article:</p>
<blockquote><p>“It&#8217;s really kind of amazing that after centuries of studying birds and flight we still didn&#8217;t understand a basic aspect of bird biology,&quot; said John Ruben, an OSU professor of zoology. &quot;This discovery probably means that birds evolved on a parallel path alongside dinosaurs, starting that process before most dinosaur species even existed.</p>
<p>&quot;This is fundamental to bird physiology,&quot; said Devon Quick, an OSU instructor of zoology who completed this work as part of her doctoral studies. &quot;It&#8217;s really strange that no one realized this before. The position of the thigh bone and muscles in birds is critical to their lung function, which in turn is what gives them enough lung capacity for flight.&quot; However, every other animal that has walked on land, the scientists said, has a moveable thigh bone that is involved in their motion – including humans, elephants, dogs, lizards and – in the ancient past – dinosaurs.</p>
<p>The implication, the researchers said, is that birds almost certainly did not descend from theropod dinosaurs, such as tyrannosaurus or allosaurus. <font color="#ffffff">The findings add to a growing body of evidence in the past two decades that challenge some of the most widely-held beliefs about animal evolution</font>.</p>
<p>“For one thing, birds are found earlier in the fossil record than the dinosaurs they are supposed to have descended from,&quot; Ruben said. &quot;That&#8217;s a pretty serious problem, and there are other inconsistencies with the bird-from-dinosaur theories.&quot;But one of the primary reasons many scientists kept pointing to birds as having descended from dinosaurs was similarities in their lungs,&quot; Ruben said. &quot;However, theropod dinosaurs had a moving femur and therefore could not have had a lung that worked like that in birds. Their abdominal air sac, if they had one, would have collapsed. That undercuts a critical piece of supporting evidence for the dinosaur-bird link.</p>
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<p>It concludes:</p>
<blockquote><p>Frankly, <font color="#ffffff">there&#8217;s a lot of museum politics involved in this, a lot of careers committed to a particular point of view even if new scientific evidence raises questions</font>,&quot; Ruben said. In some museum displays, he said, the<em> </em><font color="#ffffff">birds-descended-from-dinosaurs evolutionary theory has been portrayed as a largely accepted fact</font>, with an asterisk pointing out in small type that &quot;some scientists disagree. Our work at OSU used to be pretty much the only asterisk they were talking about,&quot; Ruben said. &quot;But now there are more asterisks all the time. That&#8217;s part of the process of science.&quot;</p>
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<p>I highlighted those sentences in the last block quote because of Brian Greene’s statement in the Wired article:</p>
<blockquote><p><strong>Greene:</strong> We try never to preach that science comes from on high and should be taken uncritically. Feel free to mull over every morsel, ask questions, and spit it back out if it doesn’t make sense.</p>
<p><strong>Wired.com:</strong> What about those places, such as young earth creationism, where some people just will not accept something for which all the evidence points in one direction?</p>
<p><strong>Greene:</strong> However well-intentioned your goals, you’re never going to bring everybody into the fold. And that’s okay. There are people in whom there’s no willingness for rational thought and evidence-based thinking to dictate what they believe to be true.</p>
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<p>In other words, it’s ok to take science critically as long as you come to the same conclusion as the rest of “the fold.” That doesn’t sound like science “based on uncertainty, on never quite knowing.” As for the rejection of evidence? According to Ruben, this problem isn’t just limited to “young earth creationism.” It’s also endemic to the very institutions that are tasked with feeding the public with with science information. </p>
<p>I’ll close with this <a href="http://www.pbs.org/wgbh/evolution/library/03/4/l_034_01.html">nugget</a> from PBS courtesy of National Geographic, two of the largest shepherds of public science knowledge:</p>
<p><img title="Bird Evolution?" alt="Bird Evolution?" src="http://www.pbs.org/wgbh/evolution/library/03/4/images/l_034_01_l.jpg" /></p>
<p>Notice the title, “Path to Birds” and the “timeline.” But the subtext includes the following oxymoronic statement: “This family tree is not a chronological progression.”</p>
<p>Go figure. </p>
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		<title>AiG Video on Demand</title>
		<link>http://blog.whatisman.com/2008/03/10/aig-video-on-demand/</link>
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		<pubDate>Mon, 10 Mar 2008 13:10:25 +0000</pubDate>
		<dc:creator>Thomas</dc:creator>
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			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><a HREF="http://www.answersingenesis.org">Answers in Genesis</a> has more than twenty full length flash videos available for viewing on their website. Titles include<em> Intricacies of Flight</em>,<em> Lucy &#8211; She&#8217;s No Lady</em>,<em> Distant Starlight</em>, and many others. I especially enjoy all of <a HREF="http://www.answersingenesis.org/home/area/bios/d_menton.asp">Dr. David Menton&#8217;s</a> videos. Answers in Genesis is a creation science website which maintains regular commentary on secular science news stories and illuminates the battle of worldviews that frames both evolutionist and creationist arguments. In addition, AiG publishes a peer reviewed science journal, &#8221;<a HREF="http://www.answersingenesis.org/arj">Answers Research Journal</a>.&#8221;</p>
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